I am using Bris files and I have build many databases with different profiler setting for the 7 tracks I play(Aqu,Fg,GG,Gp,Op,Sa and Tup.

For the first six the best combination I have found is Track, Distance Category, Surface and Class. I also have the bold box check marked in the display section and have all factors on except Simulation winner(for some reason this improved the win percentage of the top profiler horse). Now realize this has improved the profit on my top profiler selection overall. However, if I look at each track individually the following are profitable Fg, Tup, Sa and Aqu. While Gp, GG and Op are currently still unprofitable(As time permits will continue to test each of these tracks to improve profitability).

With regard to Tup, I also have the No off trks checked, the bold box unchecked and all factors on including the simulation winners. Seems Tup needed some tweeking(this too could be likely with the other 6 tracks but to this point the above settings have performed the best, even with the ones showing a loss).

It seems apparent to me that many many combinations exist and finding the right one depends on the track, the data files used and possibility other things.

Just what I see,

Bill

I have my Profiler configuration set at Track, Dist. Cat., Surface, No off tracks, Sex, and Purse at 10K for Dirt races. On the Turf I check Class in place of Sex. My databases were built up the same way. So I use my turf database for Turf races and my dirt database for dirt races. I am also maintaining the default database for all races of Track, Dist., Surface, no off tracks as a control.

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Originally posted by MyHorse1:
I have been reading everyone's comments about which settings they use.
Nathan,(our resident expert), which settings do you think would produce the best indications for the winner?

Personally, I use the Speed settings, plus the Strong E1 and E2, along with the strong Late for long higher class races.
I also use the E-Distance Cutter because I have picked some horses that have been competitive in its last race and are shortening up 1/2 length in today's race.
Anyone care to add to this??

MyHorse1

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MH,

Will give it a go by simply saying that no one answered your real question.

Have never given much thought about turning off or concentrating on certain abilities but your post has changed that. Thanks.

Perhaps someone who has messed around with the highlighted abilities rather than the check boxes on the Profiler screen will step forward and address your query. It's a good one and you've got me to thinking, which is almost a dangerous thing. Don't it boggle the mind?

Highlight some winners tomorrow,

Bob

I'm of the opinion that which "abilities" are the most likely to produce winners differs from track to track, race type to race type, and over time. Hence, we have the statistics. To what extent, I cannot say exactly. I do know that certain things continue to be prevalent in certain condition over at least 3 years.

I have been saying that one of the key ways to use Profiler is to focus in on a few of these abilities and to monitor them -- they'll tell you a lot about what's been happening in a particular type of race. Sounds like this is exactly what you've been doing. One other thing worth thinking about is what %win (or place/show for that matter) is a good indicator. Experience around the program is helpful here. If you consistently see Best Late speed rolling in at around 15% winners (just an example), and it jumps up to 20-25% somewhere, that could be a stronger indicator of an area to make a profit then seeing a typically strong E2+Late of 25% go to 30% somewhere - the public is more apt to be keyed into the E2+Late then the late ability here.

-N

Nathan - anyone,

Is there a way to use the Customize feature on the Profiler without entering an exact purse amount? Would be fun to test different things but it's pretty hard to give it an exact purse ahead of time.

Thanks,

Bob

Bob,

No, and yes. First, what this is for others that may not ever have looked at it:

When you go to Profiler it is automatically setup to derive a profile (set of stats pertaining to the abilities present in a race) based on the type of race you are handicapping. This allows you to then set the parameters for your profile by simply adjusting the filters -- I care about the Track, or I don't, I care about the distance, or I don't, etc., etc., etc..

But, what if you are looking at a Race from the Fairgrounds and suddenly you want to see how well one of the abilities (say, Simulation Winner) does at a different track, say Aqu? Or a different distance category? Here you can use the Customize button on the Prof. Controls Dialog and configure the race settings so that they reflect what you want.


So, no, you can't get away with not specifying a purse (though one is already specified for you when you go to Customize - the purse of the race you are handicapping). BUT, yes, you can accomplish what you want to do. Simply do one of the following:
A) Don't use the "Purse" filter - then the races you gather for the profile will not even consider the purse.
B) Set the Purse filter, but set the Range for the purse value so that its wide enough to account for what you want.

-N

Has anyone tried this with the Profiler: Remove all filters except for the track.

For some time I've been watching the number of sim winners that appear to be in the money. This after getting beat repeatedly but sensing that most horses were finishing on the board. The only track I currently have in my database is TAM. For the meet (697 races - matches the number in the SPAT) 23.67% win, 40.75% place and 54.95% show.

None of the abilities show a positive ROI (no shock here) but some interesting abilities jump out. Dom Prime Prime Power, Dom E2 & Late, Dom Speed and Best Prime Power are all black typed and 61% + ITM.

Is this a correct use of the profiler and have others noticed similar results? What drove me to this is that while the sim in negative ROI for the meet I've felt that it's not being disgraced and with some minor tweaks may become more powerful.Just not sure what those tweaks are.

Scott

Hi Scott,

Instead of just leaving the track checked, just leave the surface checked. I know nothing about Tampa(for example do they have turf racing), but by clicking just the surface you will see profiler data for just the dirt or just the turf depending on what surface the race that is being profiled is(and without checking track it will include all tracks in a database like mine which is made up of many tracks). For example, 1st after a claim on the dirt is very profitable from my database(see if it applys to your database).

By adding the track filter, individual tracks and surface can be also analyzed for that specific track(but looking at all tracks first can be an eye opener).

Great idea and thanks for sharing,

Bill

Bill,

Thanks for the surface idea - I gave it a try and the interesting thing is that turf has about the same stats ITM as dirt. About what I expected since turf and dirt have the same winning % in the SPAT.

One other thing: if you try this and don't want to do the math, uncheck the use cumulative place and show option.